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Ep. 65: Cliff Kayser on Polarity Thinking and Interdependence

In this episode of We Made This Political, hosts Lura Forcum and Lauren Hall talk with Cliff Kayser of Polarity Partnerships about “polarity thinking” as an alternative to false either/or binaries in politics and organizational life. Kayser explains polarities as interdependent pairs (like inhale/exhale or activity/rest) that can’t be solved by choosing one side, but can be leveraged over time by maximizing upsides and minimizing predictable downsides using a five-step process: seeing, mapping, assessing, learning, and leveraging. They discuss common polarities in democracy (freedom/authority, justice/due process, diversity/equality, human rights/communal obligations) and leadership (confidence/humility, task/relationship), plus pendulum swings such as centralization versus decentralization. The conversation connects low trust to either/or thinking and explores how AI and social media reinforce binary thinking, arguing humans must ask better questions and develop adaptive, coaching-oriented skills.

00:00 False Binaries Explained

00:32 Meet the Hosts and Guest

02:06 Polarity Thinking Basics

06:50 Democracy and Leadership Polarities

11:23 The Five Step Polarity Process

16:05 Pendulum Swings in Organizations

23:31 Part Whole in Politics

29:08 Why Politics Goes Either Or

38:05 Trust as the Hidden Ingredient

43:56 AI Bias Toward Either Or

53:20 Optimism and Where to Follow

56:36 Closing and Credits

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